Tuesday, May 30, 2017

Section 79 by Lance Wallach, expert witness.

For businesses with 10 or fewer employees, the law prohibits full medical underwriting of the policies that are issued ("group" underwriting is required, which is much more risky for an insurance company).

Beginning this article, I wanted to reiterate my comments on implementing plans with fewer than 10 employees.

Amazingly, one of the insurance companies offering this plan seemly doesn't have the ability to issue non-medical underwriting policies. This is laughable and pathetic all at the same time, and a plan you'll want to stay far away from.

As I briefly alluded to in my previous article, one of the reasons I really do not like Section 79 plans is that they basically force employers and those helping them set up Section 79 plans to lie to the employees when implementing the plan.

Non-discrimination

Section 79 plans are employee benefits plans. As such, employers are not supposed to discriminate in favor of key employees or business owners.

As you know, Section 79 plans are implemented so business owners can take a business deduction for the purchase of an individually owned life insurance policy that the owner can borrow from tax free in retirement.

It sounds great until you break down the math and understand that a client would be better off paying taxes on his/her money, taking it home, and funding a good cash value life policy rather than the low cash accumulation Section 79 Plan policy.

Notwithstanding the math behind Section 79 plans, let's talk about the benefits for employees. The employee owner is going to buy a "permanent" policy that will carry cash and can be borrowed from tax free in retirement.

That same policy must be offered to all employees. If that actually happened in a full-disclosure manner, virtually all the employees would opt for the same permanent policy; and if that happened, the finances of the plan would really go out the window because of the tremendous costs for the employees.

How do you "work around" this issue?

The work around of this issue is a bit clever and deceptive. The employees will be scared into voluntarily opting for $50,000 of term insurance instead of the full-benefit policy (term or permanent).

Why would an employee opt for $50,000 in term instead of a policy with several hundred thousands of dollars or even millions of dollars in death benefits? Because employees who are provided death benefits by an employer in excess of $50,000 are taxed on the additional benefit on an annual basis (and it increases every year).
beginning this article, I wanted to reiterate my comments on implementing plans with fewer than 10 employees

Group underwriting for businesses of 10 employees or less

For businesses with 10 or fewer employees, the law prohibits full medical underwriting of the policies that are issued ("group" underwriting is required, which is much more risky for an insurance company). Amazingly, one of the insurance companies offering this plan seemly doesn't have the ability to issue non-medical underwriting policies. This is laughable and pathetic all at the same time, and a plan you'll want to stay far away from.

As I briefly alluded to in my previous article, one of the reasons I really do not like Section 79 plans is that they basically force employers and those helping them set up Section 79 plans to lie to the employees when implementing the plan.

Non-discrimination

Section 79 plans are employee benefits plans. As such, employers are not supposed to discriminate in favor of key employees or business owners.

As you know, Section 79 plans are implemented so business owners can take a business deduction for the purchase of an individually owned life insurance policy that the owner can borrow from tax free in retirement.

It sounds great until you break down the math and understand that a client would be better off paying taxes on his/her money, taking it home, and funding a good cash value life policy rather than the low cash accumulation Section 79 Plan policy.

Notwithstanding the math behind Section 79 plans, let's talk about the benefits for employees. The employee owner is going to buy a "permanent" policy that will carry cash and can be borrowed from tax free in retirement.

That same policy must be offered to all employees. If that actually happened in a full-disclosure manner, virtually all the employees would opt for the same permanent policy; and if that happened, the finances of the plan would really go out the window because of the tremendous costs for the employees.

How do you "work around" this issue?

The work around of this issue is a bit clever and deceptive. The employees will be scared into voluntarily opting for $50,000 of term insurance instead of the full-benefit policy (term or permanent).

Why would an employee opt for $50,000 in term instead of a policy with several hundred thousands of dollars or even millions of dollars in death benefits? Because employees who are provided death benefits by an employer in excess of $50,000 are taxed on the additional benefit on an annual basis (and it increases every year).
Roccy is a good man and the author of the above article. I did not copy the entire article. I only copied the first page. Roccy D is a very smart man who is aware of the problems with abusive tax shelters including 412i 419 and the new abusive section 79 plans. It seems that over the years he and I have attacked abusive 419 and 412i plans, while everyone else was selling them. Now he and I are warning about section 79 scams.

As an expert witness Lance Wallach's side has never lost a case. People need to be careful of 419 Welfare Benefit Plans, 412i plans, Section 79 plans and Captive Insurance Plans. Most of these plans are sold by insurance agents. If you are in an abusive, listed or similar transaction plan you need to file under IRS 6707a. The participant files form 8886, and the salesmen or accountant who signs the tax returns files form 8918 if they got paid over $10,000. They are called Material Advisors and face a minimum $100,000 fine. Some plans are offshore which could involve FBAR or OVDI filings. If you have money overseas you probably need to file for IRS tax amnesty. If you want to reduce the tax we suggest that you first file and then opt out. For more information Google Lance Wallach.

The information provided herein is not intended as legal, accounting, financial or any type of advice for any specific individual or other entity. You should contact an appropriate professional for any such advice.

2 comments:

  1. section 79 people better file 8886 for section 79 to reduce audit tax

    From: LAWALLACH@aol.com [mailto:LAWALLACH@aol.com]
    Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:11 PM
    To: Itzkowitz Ronald R
    Cc: LAWALLACH@aol.com
    Subject: Fwd: I would appreciate your help
    A few weeks ago I had sent you information about abusive tax shelters being sold to pass up the line of IRS people. Attached is an email I received from a compliance officer at a brokerage firm. She is concerned about the sale of so called section 79 plans whereby the promoter says that the contribution is all tax deductible. Only the term cost is according to IRS regs. and my reading of the code. On the surface this plan looks semi legal. But just like the 419 and 419 af6 plans the salesmen tell the taxpayers that they can deduct everything. This type of abusive tax deduction plan is now being sold by many of the same promoters that sold abusive 412i and 419 plans before the IRS stopped the abuse.

    I am running into the promoters of so called section 79 plans all over the U.S. Many of them tell me they have spoken to IRS and they have approval, which I do not believe. I have written many articles warning of this problem, and attorneys for the promoters threaten to sue me.

    I told the lady that I would pass this information and her note over to the IRS. Feel free to contact me or her, and good luck.
    Lance Wallach
    68 Keswick Lane
    Plainview, NY 11803
    Ph.: (516)938-5007
    Fax: (516)938-6330 www.vebaplan.com


    From: Ronald.R.Itzkowitz@irs.gov
    To: LAWALLACH@aol.com
    Sent: 6/20/2011 8:18:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
    Subj: RE: I would appreciate your help


    Mr. Wallach,

    I did pass along your email to our exam people.

    Ron


    Ronald R. Itzkowitz
    National EP Customer Partnership Analyst
    Internal Revenue Service - Employee Plans
    Badge Number: 22-06483
    1 State Street Square
    50 West State Street, 12th Floor
    Trenton, N.J. 08608
    Office Phone: (609) 858-7977
    Office FAX: (609) 858-7936

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  2. secTION 79 on the way out section 79 out like other abusive tax shelter 419 412i section 79 by by let the section 79 lawsuits begin
    From: LAWALLACH@aol.com [mailto:LAWALLACH@aol.com]
    Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:11 PM
    To: Itzkowitz Ronald R
    Cc: LAWALLACH@aol.com
    Subject: Fwd: I would appreciate your help

    A few weeks ago I had sent you information about abusive tax shelters being sold to pass up the line of IRS people. Attached is an email I received from a compliance officer at a brokerage firm. She is concerned about the sale of so called section 79 plans whereby the promoter says that the contribution is all tax deductible. Only the term cost is according to IRS regs. and my reading of the code. On the surface this plan looks semi legal. But just like the 419 and 419 af6 plans the salesmen tell the taxpayers that they can deduct everything. This type of abusive tax deduction plan is now being sold by many of the same promoters that sold abusive 412i and 419 plans before the IRS stopped the abuse.



    I am running into the promoters of so called section 79 plans all over the U.S. Many of them tell me they have spoken to IRS and they have approval, which I do not believe. I have written many articles warning of this problem, and attorneys for the promoters threaten to sue me.



    I told the lady that I would pass this information and her note over to the IRS. Feel free to contact me or her, and good luck.

    Lance Wallach
    68 Keswick Lane
    Plainview, NY 11803
    Ph.: (516)938-5007
    Fax: (516)938-6330 www.vebaplan.com





    From: Ronald.R.Itzkowitz@irs.
    To: LAWALLACH@aol.com
    Sent: 6/20/2011 8:18:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
    Subj: RE: I would appreciate your help





    Mr. Wallach,



    I did pass along your email to our exam people.



    Ron





    Ronald R. Itzkowitz

    National EP Customer Partnership Analyst

    Internal Revenue Service - Employee Plans

    Badge Number:

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